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Sorry, I got the colission and the death of Palpy mixed up. Had the death star not been there, the ship would have been back in operation shortly.

 

Evidence?

The novelization.

If it's not an on-going debate, people wouldn't still be debating it, would they?

People are stupid and refuse to see what is infront of them.

I never said they weren't canon. I just said that they're grade "B" canon. As in, lower down the ladder than the movies, the scripts for the movies, and the novelizations of the movies. And maybe the Clone Wars animated series, though I'm uncertain on that one.

They don't have to be supported, they just have to not be contradicted.

In TESB, most of the asteroids we see are between 50 and 100 meters at their widest points. The destruction of any of them does not indicate 200 GT power output. There's also the fact that they have the same reactions to turbolasers, impacting with TIEs, and impacting with each other, which indicated that they have something in them that's volatile.

Vaporizing a 40 meter sphere of rock is no easy task, and I point you to Mike Wong's page on the subject, as he has alteady defined the figures.

The asteroid scene in AotC doesn't show anywhere near 200 GT either, as all those asteroids the were damaged were only fragmented, without any parts being vaporized. If I remember correctly, the seismic (sp?) charges Slave 1 dropped to acheive the effect we see were designed to fragment asteroids in order to allow easy extraction of their usable minerals. That in itself, coupled with the fact that the asteroids we see there were maybe 5 km wide, indicates a yeild much lower than 200 GT.

The fragmentation (which is energy intensive) happens with rather small charges, which if you use a linear volume scale up to larger weapons, gets you yields that fit within the figures given by the ICS.

Battlestar Operatica - The Battlestar Galactica Season One Soundtrack

(Italian)

Maledetto sia tuo cuore Cylone

C'e una toastapane nella tua testa

E porta tachi a spillo

 

Numero Sei ti chiama

Il rivelatore Cylone impone

La tua ragazza e un tostapane

 

Maledetto sia tuo cuore Cylone

Ahime, disgrazia! Ahime, tristezza e miseria!

 

Il tostapane ha un bel vestito

Rosso come la sua spina dorsale ardente

Sussura Numero Sei

Per tuo comando

 

(in English)

Woe upon your Cylon heart

There's a toaster in your head

And it wears high heels

 

Number Six calls to you

The Cylon Detector beckons

Your girlfriend is a toaster

 

Woe upon your Cylon heart

Alas, disgrace! Alas, disgrace and misery!

 

The toaster has a pretty dress

Red like its glowing spine

Number Six whispers

By your command

The Soundtrack to A Beautiful Mind

Seven, then Kes.

Janeway was an idiot who didn't even know what a timer would do to a weapon - and thus got her crew stuck in the Delta Quadrant in the first place.

Edit: Formatting error.

Edit 2: When did Pick with an R become a bad word?

I'm only hitting on a few points to make my case here, but to be honest most of the star trek vs star wars debates have been decided in favor of star wars. Now While I don't care for the debating style of Mike Wong and the rest of the ASVSers, the fact remains that they are right when doing most of the technical analysis.

That doesn't make sense. The Executor had already impacted upon the DS mkII by that point. It exploded. It was nothing but debris. How does debris become almost fully functional in so short a time?

Sorry, I got the colission and the death of Palpy mixed up. Had the death star not been there, the ship would have been back in operation shortly.

I know this is an on-going debate, but how do you figure? For one, the shield dropped as soon as the dome was destroyed. Secondly, I've seen specs (both considered grade 'b' canon) that identify the domes as both shield generators and sensor domes.

It is not an ongoing debate, as it was established that they were sheild generators a while back. Sheilds dropped BEFORE the A-wings hit. How else did the fighters even get that close?

No, the reason we see the fighters getting in so close is because they simply don't have the energy output of larger craft. Therefore, they have to be much closer to their targets. Of course, their targets are supposed to be enemy fighters.

Irrelevent with respect to star trek.

2. How does the 200 GT firepower as indicated by the ICS even remotely match up with anything we see on-screen? The various ICSs are grade "B" canon, so unless they actually match up with anything seen on-screen (or depicted in the novelisations of the movies, or their scripts), they are irrelevant.

WRONG. The ICSs are canon unless contradicted.

As for your question: The asteroid scenes in both TESB and in AotC.

Then we get to nail the person who's car is being barrowed on an aiding and abbetting charge.

 

If the person truly does not know that purpose behind the borrowing than how can they be charged with aiding and abetting? If the crime happen against a child this new law did not stop it.

If you don't know a person well enough to know if they have a the charge then why would they let them borrow the car in the first place?

everyone seems to be missing the biggest flaw in this guys plans. Sex offenders can borrow other peoples cars!!!

 

So the sex offender can have their car sitting at home and have borrowed someone elses car and still pull up next to a child and ask for "directions"

Then we get to nail the person who's car is being barrowed on an aiding and abbetting charge.

Odie, they aren't suggesting taking away their driver's licenses - just putting bright green license plates on their cars so when kids see a car with a bright green license plate they'll know to avoid the car or run the other way.

Yeah I FUBAR'D that one (Driving and tags), and I apologize for it. What I should have said was "When did not being publicly humiliated for a crime become a right."

Mind you I'm also for physical castration in most of these cases (I don't really care for the way the Eight Amendment has been interpreted).

[shrug]

Right now - West Side Story

On a regular basis: Battlestar Galactica, SG1, SGA, News, History Channel, Dilbert, Serenity, Firefly, and A Beautiful Mind.

Lets make it easy for the mod the kill these people. What these people did was wrong they still have rights.

When did driving become a right?

My only issue with this is that the term "sex offender" is very lose, and it could very easily be improperly applied. Example: In high school one of my friends who was 15 (and a sophomore) was dating an 18 year old Senior. Under strick legal terms anything they did was going to be statutory rape, and thus it would have made her a sex offender, even when anything they did was consentual [i still to this day don't know if they ever did anything though].

First: There is no such thing as a 'super star destroyer'. Only one person called it that, and he wasn't a member of the imperial fleet.

Short answer: The E-E is raped.

Long answer: The E-E is raped by the point defense systems on the Executer.

The E. The SSD didn't even have the shields to deflect a fighter plane from flying straight into it and eventually taking the whole flippin' thing down!

The Shields on the Executer were already taken down in the fight when the Mon Calamari capital ships concentrated all of thier firepower on it. Also the RotJ Novelization states that the ship was almost back to being fully operational when Palpy died (which didn't help the fleet ~ read the novelization for more info).

Knowing Picard, he would probably bring the E to ramming speed... whatever that is and ram the SSD. I have no doubt both ships would be destroyed then.

The captain of the executer could sleep through the collision.

Someone mentioned the A-Wings...the attack by the A-Wings that took down the bridge deflector shields was late in the battle, after Ackbar ordered the fleet to assault it.

Sensor domes not Shield generators.

The Phoenix destroyed a Frieghter at a great range, but...Starfleet ships, as we've seen, do most of their fighting in close. Visual indications during the battle of the Baisan Rift in Nemesis would suggest effective fighting ranges of between 1 kilometer (considered Point Blank range for large warships) out to about 100 Kilometers.

While very true, Star wars ships have ranges up to 12 light minutes to put this in perspective, a Venator (much less an Executer) could sit almost on the orbit of MARS and still hit Earth, while you have to be atleast in geosycronous orbit to hit anything in trek (Demons/Terra Prime not withstanding).

The reason that we see some fights in SW being as short ranged as they are is that the 2 major fleet actions we have seen (in RotJ and RotS) were situations were one side had a need to get in close (in RotS it was to prevent The Invisible Hand from jumping away, and in RotJ the Empire wanted to kill Home One).

First, Nowhere is there any indication of ranges for the weapons on the Super Star Destroyer's weapons. Nor is there any set hitting power equivelent for them. What I DO know from reading the Star Wars books is that warships are more than capable of engagingin planetary bombardments from orbit.

We can extrapolte them from the firepower stated in the ICS for a troop transport that was more than 20 years older. The Acclimator Class transports had 12 Medium Turbolasers (which don't act like lasers [Note: I'm happily suprised that noone tried to pull the 'navigational defelectors block lasers' line which is total BS re: The borg cutting beam]) each of which output more firepower (200 gigatons) per shot than most Federation ships can produce in a week.

What Really stinks is when you drive 400 klicks (Starting out at 2000 Saturday no less), get dumped(at 730 Sunday), drive another 400 klicks back to school(Getting back at about 1330 Sunday), and finding an email that the person who dumped you didn't really mean all of what she said takes it out of a person (At 1500 Sunday). And You still can't say no to this girl.

Dang it was a long day. And I had a calc test at 0900 (Monday) Which I managed to sleep past. [/rant]