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Only if they try the human bridge attack, otherwise they flat out can't get the troops to Formosa in the first place. On a side note I'm all for giving Formosa to it's original owners - The Portuguese

Video Killed the Radio Star - The Buggles [The Age of Plastic]

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Nevermind that Starbuck is alive...where did she get a new Viper from?

 

Especially given the last time we saw her she was flying one of the newer Vipers and is now in one of the old ones.

Nope. Last time we saw her she was in a mark 2.

Let's be fair here. It was a LOT of conventional missiles, and there were 4 base ships.

I thought that Galactica took out one of the baseships early on, but I could have been wrong. Also unless the missiles used had anti-armor warheads, it takes a LOT of missiles to equal a small nuke (Think of a rectangualr prisim 75 Feet by 75 Feet by over 300 feet of High explosive - and that's just warhead volume).

Back to being a Trek fan, the Enterprise (D & E) has been in battles with much larger ships and found a way to win (the Scimitar, Borg ships).

Shinzon was an idiot, and was 'toying' with Picard, and even then, if not for data blowing up the core thing, the E-E would have been lost. As for the Borg - well they are chronically stupid, and the volume of a cube is but a fraction of the volume of an Executer (the term SSD is only used by the rebelion, and thus isn't considered a proper term of classification - the proper term is 'Star Dreadnought').

I have no doubt the Enterprise could defeat a superstar destroyer.

The burden of proof then falls on you to prove this as the debate has been over for several years (after the Episode 2 ICS came out).

In Star Wars, since small ships can destroy those "mighty" Death Stars then I have little confidence in the construction of any ships built for the Empire.

Acts of plot that should never have happened as the first Death Star was destroyed by a lucky shot, and the second wasn't compleated yet.

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Well, you're absolutely smarter than me. Math makes me crazy. I am horrible at it. And admittedly so.

As far as math goes, I'm actually only mid-level. I still have trouble with Eigenvectors and other Post-Calculus concepts.

I thought that there was no end to pi. It keeps going and going ad infinitum?

You would be correct. Pi, like the natural log base 'e', φ (Phi - the Golden ratio that is to say (( a+b )/a) = (a/:mad1: = φ), √(3), and √(2) is an irrational number, that is it can not be expressed as the fraction (a/:) of two integers a and b, where b != 0 .

This is not to be confused with the complex number (of which all reals - Both rational and irrational are a subset). a + bi Where a and b are reals, and i = √(-1). For all real numbers the value of b in the complex number it is a subset of is zero.

Yes. LOTES. (Isn't a typo)

And no, I'm not giving out the URL.

Now, if you had put the Battlestar Galatica up against Enterprise-E, then you'd have one terrific battle.

I think that Galatica would win because they have Vipers and Raptors going for them. Enterprise-E doesn't.

Actually The E-E B****SLAPS Galactica. The only things that Galactica has going for it are it's armor (phasers are quite bad at heavy metal disintegration) and extensive ECM. Firepower wise we're looking at a situation where Galactica could do damage to the E-E, but the Bucket herself was being gang-banged by 3 basestars using conventional missiles (and would have been lost had Lee not shown up).

Cylons on the other hand own just about all federation ships (in the TNG+ era) as Federation computer security is horrid (this is different than ENT and TOS security, and we don't know enough about TMP-Lost era computers to make a fair assesment). After all Federation ships compile and execute foriegn code - even when it destroys the ship (re: Iconian Virus).

We see the dome get destroyed. The next shot shows the inside of the bridge, still shaking from the explosion. Immediately, an officer standing over a console turns and reports, "Sir, we've lost our bridge deflector shields."

 

That seems rather indicative that it was a shield generator.

I'll quote Curtis Saxton on this: (Link)

The failure of Executor's bridge deflector shields coinciding with a globe's destruction may merely indicate that the damage to one system affected power to the other in an unanticipated way. Note that only one of the globes was damaged. If the globes on the command tower were the actual shield generators then both would have to be damaged or destroyed before the bridge shields were wholly lost. (It should also be noted that the globes on the bridge tower were only two out of at least eight that can be seen in that neighbourhood of the dorsal hull.) At best, Executor's demise says more about a flukey and synergistic system failures than any functional connection between globes and shields.

 

In fact there might not be any causal connection between the destruction of a globe and the failure of the bridge deflector shields. Early in the battle, [ROTJ novel p.170] Admiral Ackbar gave specific targeting orders for the Alliance capital ships:

 

"Concentrate your fire on their power generators. If we can knock out their shields, our fighters might stand a chance against them."

 

In other words, the shield failure was probably due to a power loss which was the deliberate result of the rebel heavy ships' bombardment. In fact it might only have been only a temporary shield failure, with the generators taking some time to recharge. The damage to the globe may have indirectly contributed to the ship's vulnerability, insofar as it might hamper raising the shields again once they were already down. The destruction of one scanner globe was a sign that the bridge deflector shields (which would otherwise protect the globes from starfighters) had already failed. This is a demonstration of Executor's vulnerability, not the cause of it.

 

Furthermore, there is evidence of at least one warship at the Battle of Endor which lost its bridge shields even though its globes were completely intact. This was one of the vessels with multiple bridge nodules on the face of the command tower. (It may be the intermediate-sized "communications ship" described in the novel.) In the closeup footage of the battle around this ship there are great gushes of flame coming from inside most of the bridges, exploding out into the void. Even though the shields are completely lost and the bridge regions have obviously been devastated by rebel bombardment, the globes atop the tower are serenely unharmed and presumably fully functional.

Now I'm lying, huh? You just said "They don't have to be supported." If they don't have to be supported, then, like I said, supporting evidence is irrelevant.

I missunderstood your remark. My point is that the ICSs do not have to be supported, only not contradicted.

And even if it's 300 meters rather than 1 km, that's still a hell of a lot bigger than the 50 meter asteroids in TESB.

Yes, because the main weapon on Voyager *might* equal the point defense system on a regular Star Destroyer, of which a ISD has no less than 128.

The fact also remains that In the episode Pegasus, it would take atleast 200 photons to destroy and asteroid that had less than an order of magnitude more mass than the one in Voyager.

Irrelevant. I don't care if it's interpolation or extrapolation. I'm only concerned with determining whether or not the 200GT is accurate.[/color]

You said "Scaling up is not indicative unless you can prove beyond a doubt that what you're scaling up to, as well as everything in between, matching the increase."

The only visual that we have that is both greater than 200 GT and is against (an) object we can classify is Death Star main weapon. So unless you want me to use it, a weapon that is larger than every other ship in the universe), then you are asking the impossible.

In short you are asking me to show you a 200 GT explosion to show that another explosion is the same yeild- when I have admited that there are no visuals to that effect - but not contradictions either.

Enterprise "E" wins.

Hands down.

No contest. :)

Show me why the E-E could beat a ship that is hundreds of times more masive, and from a culture that has had FTL, sheilds, Energy weapons et all for thousands of years.

That's like a Christian fundie merely saying that the evidence for their god is in the Bible. I was thinking of something a bit more substantial. Like, for example, page number, paragraph, and a passage or two that backs your claim up.

I myself have never read the Novelizations, but I shall try to find you the relevent quotes.

People tend to look at the visual evidence. i.e. the movies. There's no indication whatsoever that those are sensor domes.

There is no indication visually that they are sheild domes either.

Supporting evidence is irrelevant?

That's not what I said, so stop the lies.

That doesn't change anything. There was a Voyager episode (I don't recall the name, but it's the one where Neelix and Tuvok had to rise into the ionosphere from the surface in a tethered orbital cargo pod) in which the crew was clearly surpirsed when a standard photon torpedo failed to vaporize a 1 km-wide asteroid. Chakotay even stated that the asteroid should have been vaporized. And yet, most figures put the max yeild of a standard Fed photon torpedo to be in the low megatons. Now, how does low megatons destroy 1 km asteroid while it takes 200 GT to destroy asteroids that are, on the average, 1/20 the size? Either Wars has far lower weapon yields, or Trek has far high yields. Or they meet somewhere in the middle.

No, what they said that should have happened was that there shouldn't be any large chunks left of the asteroid. Also IIRC visual evidence does not point to a 1 kilometer long asteroid, but one about 300 meters long.

So, that scene is not indicative of 200 GT, as you claimed. Scaling up is not indicative unless you can prove beyond a doubt that what you're scaling up to, as well as everything in between, matching the increase.

What you want is intrapolation not extrapolation.

"Your girlfriend is a toaster"..???... :P

Toaster: Slang used by the population of the Colonies in refrence to Cylons. It is a refrence to both the chrome color and the red eye that apear on both colonial toasters and on Mark 4 Cylons. Head Six called it a racial slur. Thus the Song is being sung to Baltar.