prometheus

The Founders
  • Content Count

    1,243
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by prometheus


  1. It couldn't have been anywhere close to the bright future he has as as a member of Starfleet. Same could be said for Rom. He ended up with Miles, and the entire crew, discovering that they had in their midst a terrific engineer..not to mention that he eventually became the Grand Nagus, and had the power to effect some positive changes from the very top of the Ferengi society...a real success story, I liked the way the writers moved things along for he and Nog. Jake, being not in Starfleet, didn't have the venue for things that the other charcters did, it appears to me, though his relationship with Ben was something the writers crafted well, and with Joseph. But, I imagine him writing at some point in his career a major nonfiction novel on the Dominion War, given his place at the heart of the conflict. I stopped keeping up with DS9 after the series ended, and I've only read three DS novels, those being the first ones, so I haven't a clue as to how any of these characters have been taken in non-canon form, other than Sisko's return, and the addition of Ro, and some new chars to the station.

     

    Rom becoming Grand Nagus is one of the "Star Trekkie" things which really both me. Gosh it is always the same. No-one ever just goes away and does nothing or gets demoted or anything. They always go on to do something really prestigious. Head up some department on Earth. Write a famous book or something. Become Nagus! Admirals, blah blah.


  2. Temporal Mechanics - it always gave me a headache. Isn't that what Miles O'Brien said in one episode of DS9? I suppose everything which has been said is true. Although we should look at matters chronologically and not consider any one universe to be 'the right universe'. We have followed only one Star Trek timeline/universe out of infinite possibilities.

     

    Yar is born and in and around this time, Kitomer's Klingon outpost is attacked by the Romulans. The Enterprise C goes to help and gets sucked into a temporal distortion. The Klingons war with the Federation for not helping. Yar joins StarFleet and ends up posted to the Enterprise D. .The battlecruiser Enterprise D knows the war does not go well. The Enterprise C appears before the D emerging through the temporal distortion. It is agreed by taking advice from Guinan that sending the C back could change history and prevent the war. The ship goes back with Tasha Yar. The ship emerges in the past or what was the present to the Enterprise C and saves the outpost from the Romulans. The Klingons are grateful for the C's intervention and a new timeline proceeds forth. Yar is taken by the Romulans. Yar gives birth to Sela. Yar is then murdered. In this timeline, the Federation engages in a mission of peace (the timeline which we know from season one tng onwards) and Yar ends up dying. Sela turns up eventually. Throughout the first few seasons of TNG Sela was always there. For a while, an alternate older Tasha and a younger Tasha both existed. Like in the new Star Trek movie. We have future alternate Spock and young Spock.


  3. What if ...

     

    Admiral Pike advises Kirk that Federation has learned that the Klingons want to start up their Genetic modification programme again like in the Enterprise episodes and so go off in search of the Botany Bay as they need Augment DNA? We could see Khan and company kill the Klingons and take their ship. The Enterprise is sent to investigate and Khan comes aboard. He kidnaps Uhura, taking her as his wife. Spock is not amused and the Enterprise in in pursuit. The Klingons obtain information from a trader called Cyrano Jones before blowing up his ship. One warrior takes a small furry creature from Jones's ship before this happens, to take home to the Klingon homeworld, Kronos. The Klingons dispatch warriors to retrieve their ship and the Khan and co. They start to fire on the commandered Klingon ship and the Enterprise gets in the way to protect Uhura. There is a battle and the Klingons are not happy as they think the Enterpise is on Khan's side. Ambassador Shran of the Andorian Imperial Guard assists the Enterprise.

     

    Khan escapes and attempts a sling shot around a sun to enter time warp to go back into Earth's past to attempt to restore his lost empire. Instead the ship inadvertantly travels forward in time and is intercepted by Admiral James T Kirk (played by Shatner, as a future verion of the alternate Kirk we now know) in the new Enterpise B (which will resemble the Excelsior class ship we saw in the Prime Universe film Generations, only it will be a wee bit different). Khan is captured and Uhura is sent back to her own time. Old Spock (Nimoy with make up or cgi de-aged a bit, playing the new alternate Spock in this future version of the alternate timeline) tells her that he missed her and loved her etc. Then that is kinda that...

     

    Who else would i like to see? Kirk getting it on with Janice Rand, Nurse Chapel trying to beak up Spock and Uhura, Sulu getting married, the

     

    Enterprise's nacelles having to be reduced in size (to look like the TOS ones) due to environmental reasons ...

     

    Oh - duh! Thought this was about the next one ...


  4. Now I want dessert.

     

    ... off a young Grace Lee Whitney ... :clap:

     

    Hard to believe she is around 80 now

     

    Well, wouldn't be eating a Vienetta off that! Though the wrinkles might grip the ripples, stop it sliding off. Do you think Kirk is going to have his dessert off her in this scene?

     

    post-120-1282502997.jpg


  5. What if ...

     

    Admiral Pike advises Kirk that Federation has learned that the Klingons want to start up their Genetic modification programme again like in the Enterprise episodes and so go off in search of the Botany Bay as they need Augment DNA? We could see Khan and company kill the Klingons and take their ship. The Enterprise is sent to investigate and Khan comes aboard. He kidnaps Uhura, taking her as his wife. Spock is not amused and the Enterprise in in pursuit. The Klingons obtain information from a trader called Cyrano Jones before blowing up his ship. One warrior takes a small furry creature from Jones's ship before this happens, to take home to the Klingon homeworld, Kronos. The Klingons dispatch warriors to retrieve their ship and the Khan and co. They start to fire on the commandered Klingon ship and the Enterprise gets in the way to protect Uhura. There is a battle and the Klingons are not happy as they think the Enterpise is on Khan's side. Ambassador Shran of the Andorian Imperial Guard assists the Enterprise.

     

    Khan escapes and attempts a sling shot around a sun to enter time warp to go back into Earth's past to attempt to restore his lost empire. Instead the ship inadvertantly travels forward in time and is intercepted by Admiral James T Kirk (played by Shatner, as a future verion of the alternate Kirk we now know) in the new Enterpise B (which will resemble the Excelsior class ship we saw in the Prime Universe film Generations, only it will be a wee bit different). Khan is captured and Uhura is sent back to her own time. Old Spock (Nimoy with make up or cgi de-aged a bit, playing the new alternate Spock in this future version of the alternate timeline) tells her that he missed her and loved her etc. Then that is kinda that...

     

    Who else would i like to see? Kirk getting it on with Janice Rand, Nurse Chapel trying to beak up Spock and Uhura, Sulu getting married, the Enterprise's nacelles having to be reduced in size (to look like the TOS ones) due to environmental reasons ...


  6. You are in the Delphic Expanse. You need a new Warp Coil. Stinkiepoo traders have one but will only swap it for a Thundercats Annual 1987.

     

    Now aren't you glad you have your extra storage hull ... lol


  7. Oh yes, and Mirror Janeway, Mirror B'lanna and Mirror Seven would have all been ... well, like the Mirror Intendant and Mirror Ezri Dax and Mirror Leta the Dabbo girl ... you know what i am hinting at. I'm sure Kate Mulgrew would have pulled that off well. In a Patty from the Simpsons sort of way ... lol


  8. The closest we ever get to seeing an evil version of Voyager is the episode Living Witness http://stvoy.epguides.info/?ID=526

     

    I watched this episode last Saturday night/Sunday morning, it was on a re-run and thought about a possible Mirror Universe episode of Voyager.

     

    Chronologically in the Star Trek time line, we first see the Mirror Universe in Enterprise. Instead of having Star Fleet they have the Terran Empire and similar technology. It seems timelines converge from the point of First Contact. The good Trek universe we know and love flowing from a peaceful first encounter with la Vulcananians and the alternate nasty Mirror Universe stemming from a riotous first encounter with the Vulcan resulting in bloodshed at Zefram Chochrane's hands.

     

    During TOS the Mirror Universe Terran Empire continued to develop technology at the same rate as the Federation/Star Fleet resulting in two similar Enterprises in "Mirror Mirror". It seems that Mirror Spock then led some revolt in the time period thereafter which led to the Terran Enterprise losing its power and technological development whilst the Federation in the normal universe continued to flourish. By the time we get to DS9, Star Fleet has still got developed Star Ships but the Terran Empire has all but gone leaving a few Humans eeking out a living and subserviant to other races like the Bajorans, Cardassians and Klingons. An alternate Miles O'Brien (Smiley) crosses over into the normal universe that we know and steals plans for Star Fleet's Defiant which is then built in the Mirror Universe. Therefore, since the development of Star Ships petered out in the Mirror Universe shortly after TOS's Mirror Mirror, it is unlikely there ever would have been a Mirror Voyager. Remember, Mirror Tuvok turns up in one of the DS9 Mirror episodes.

     

    They way i see it, for there to have been a Mirror Voyager, i would have proposed this scenario:

     

    Mirror Janeway is friends with Mirror Tuvok who tells her about the Prime Universe, of which he has knowledge from Smiley etc, of which we know and the technology therein. Somehow they steal plans for other Federation Star Fleet vessels in a bid to rebuild the Terran Empire and one of the ships they build is a copy of Voyager. They test it out in the bad lands along with Mirror versions of Voyager's crew 9who all happen to be linked to Janeway in some way as part of the cosmic grand plan or whatever you want to call it) and the Caretaker pulls the ship towards to Delta Quadrant. I think that Mirror Voyager would have followed the same path and style as the Equinox and it is only fair to assume would have met a similar fate. Nothing good ever comes of a bad egg...


  9. As Ivana Trump would say ... "it is, what it is!"

     

    I enjoyed it when i first saw it and was new into Star Trek as i had seen Wrath if Khan up to Undiscovered Country first. So it was a real shock seeing the oh so 1970s hairdos (Uhura looked fresh from a Blackspoitation Movie lol) and Dr McCoy looked like a drop out who had 'tuned out' way too long, sporting full beard and a medallion? Am i remembering that correctly? The grey/brown skin tight, spit-thin polester flared jump suits did no one any favours, least of all poor Decker who, let's say, was more 'on show' than any of them. I read that the director told the actress who played Janice Rand to strip off all her make up. You may recall on TOS she was quite the lady and very beautiful. Grace Lee Whitney had been set to be a big character alongside Kirk and Spock but was dropped from the show after the first season due to personal issues. The reason why Robert Wise made Rand so bland was due to old Roddenberry. If you read anything about Star Trek who will hear all about him and his 'practical jokes' which to be honest i have always found to be childish for a grown man ofhis years. He made Whitney play some joke of Wise and he was not amused and so punished her by leaving her looking washed out on the movie.

     

     

    post-120-1281885052.jpgpost-120-1281885071_thumb.jpg

     

     

    Regardless i think she still looks pretty, naturally so and amongst the greys and beiges of TMP she does not look out of place. Shatner and the rest of the crew had their own problems with makeup. Too much in fact. The movie tried to keep the characters looking a young as possible so that they didn't look so far removed on thebig screen to the generation who grew up with the 'younger crew' in the TOS reruns. No one has seen Spock and Kirk and company in roughly ten years and many of the actors were well into their 40s. Shatner himself said that he hated having to go on a diet to look relatively fit in the aforementioned polyester jump suit. I note they gave him in particular a rather large plastic buckle to try to cover that gut! Thankfully Meyer knocked this on the head in Star Trek 2 and addressed the theme of aging with open arms. But that is for another post.

     

    I never liked the movie's portrayal of Vulcan. Where was the atmosphere!!? It looked like they were on a Vulcan moon. That too was addressed in Star Trek 3 and Star Trek 4 in particular, at the beginning. The Directo's Cut of TMP went back and redid Vulcan making it fit in better with what we had seen in TOS and afterwards. The actress who played the Femal Vulcan Priestess/Master was noted by wise as being 'cheap' and lacking stature. I think that this was noted by Leonard Nimoy when he directed Search as he brought in well known actress Dame Judith Anderson as T'Lar, another Vulcan High Priestess, whose prescence and stature carried that scene terrifically.

     

    Spock's extra coldness was explained by his completion of the Kulinar, a discipline which crops up in Abrahms new movie. I rather suspect that in Star Trek 2 Spock might complete Kulinar and may detach from Uhura. I hope that happens so that Spock's character will be more completely Vulcan in the next movie. Thankfully, Spock gets over himself and starts to call Kirk Jim again after he does his wee space walk.

     

    I hated V'Ger. Gosh i did. It was just too intangible. Here in the United Kingdom we have a dessert called a Viennetta. V'Ger looked like a giant Walls Viennetta. An ice cream treat in space.

     

    post-120-1281881356_thumb.jpgpost-120-1281881324.jpg

     

    In the Directors cut they created a more solid tangible and identifiable space ship for V'Ger, which was interestingly based on the shape which was outlined on a viewscreen on the Enterprise in the original 1979 version. It is hard to know who your villan is when they hide behind smoke and mirrors.

     

    The Enterpise itself was redesigned for the movie. It had been redesigned for the proposed Phase II series. It retained its general shape and features but was given new nacelles and a more detailed saucer and secondary hull. The designers, for some reason, shanged the deflector dish from orange to blue. This is sorta addressed when the Enterpise powers out for the first time. The dflector dish is orange as it had been and then it changes to blue - like it has 'warmed up' or something. Although usually if things warm up they go from blue to orange but anyway, i think you get the idea. This was probably so that when the rerun generation saw the Enterprise for the first time the deflector was orange as they were used to and then it changed to blue through the movie and then stayed that way. It was blue in the next 5 movies (and never orange) and subsequent Enterpises had a blue deflector dish. The first thing i notice in First Contact when we first saw the Enterprise E was a return to the orange deflector dish. Also - note the red doors on the bridge! The warp drive effects were apparently expensive, particularly the wormhole affect. This was almost a LSD experience - hey man, we are triiiiiiipin, on de Enterprise lol More 70s tat. The corridors were reused in the movies and TNG. The bridge had a ceiling. The interior of teh bridge was nice and bright. I never liked the dark dank bridges of Khan and Search. The bridge was brightened at the end of Voyage Home on the new Enterprise A and was nicely carpeted and Hiltoned up for Star Trek 5, reaching out to TNG which was running on tv at the time to make a link. Meyer must not have liked this as in Undiscovered Country he almost retrograded it with toggle switches and chrome plating. The brightness remained though. In the new movie Abrahms made the bridge really bright to make the ship sparkle and look new. So i like the bridge in TMP it is okay.

     

    Decker and Ilia, forerunners for Riker and Troi were okay too. They would have joined the original cast had Star Trek Phase II got going along with a new Vulcan called Xon. The actor who was to play him appeared as the guy at the array which picked up the Klingon distress calls etc and was up on the big rec-deck viewscreen when the crew of the Enterprise learned their mission. When Ilea was taken by V'Ger it was extremely sad. Her recreation as an Android/avatar for V'Ger was confusing but then nothing about V'Ger was not confusing. It woul dhave been funny if Android Ilia did not have the discipline and oath of celebacy which she herself had taken to stop her from going around attaking the males of the Enterpise. TMP lacked any of the humour of TOS and the other movies which was a bad thing. The film needed that. I could see Android Ilia grabbing Kirk and saying ''Kirk Unit - give yourself to me'' and Kirk raising an eyebrow and saying ''i hope you have a long battery life" or something tongue in cheek like that. But no it was all quite depressing and Ilia and Decker ended up eyeing each other and spending eternity together in some confusing fusion of man, Deltan and machine. There always has to be some sort of underlying romance/chemistry going on though in the movies. In Khan we had Kirk and Marcus. Search we had Saavik and David; Voyage Home - Kirk and Gillian Taylor, and so on.

     

    What else is there to mention? The Klingons yes. They obviously must have gotten over their difficulties which started off with Enterprise's Divergence and continued throughout TOS. The ridges were there and it was nice to see them but they were out of it pretty quickly after being atttacked by the giant Viennetta. Not much glory in that. Their ridges were all the same and variety only came in subsequent incarnations.

     

    The movie came out in the year of my brith - 1979. It must be maturely assessed in context. All in all the movie was fine; slow and a bit lacking in terms of story and script but i blame Roddenberry for that. If you ask me the franchise blossomed without his control. He may have created it, he certainly sewed the seed but the flower which bloomed was tended to by better gardeners than he. The effects would have been super at the time and the hype would have been satisfied by the product.

     

    I like the movie, from a nostalgic point of view. It is different. It broke a hungry legion of fans back into Trek. It is what it is ...

     

    Kieran

    Grace_lee_whitney_tos.bmp

    Grace_lee_whitney_tmp.bmp

    post-120-1281881306.jpg


  10. That is true. If another crew member was injured because Geordi went crazy due to mind control due to his VISOR then that crew member could sue Star Fleet for negligence in failing to carry out a risk assessment and putting protections in place. Especially since they were well aware of the risks from other incidents.


  11. Minor screw up? Your job is to write a 14 word description for a tv programme which is going to be broadcast to the nation with every episode and you get the facts wrong? Yeah, sure, minor indeed.

     

    I would call a minor screw up putting too much salt on my dinner.

     

    Depends who you are i suppose. :P


  12. What is the advantage of a secondary hull other than more storage space?

     

    With a secondary hull as an add-on (as opposed to having the ship originally designed that way) gives the ship an additional deflector and launch bay, but has there ever been a situation where the NX-01 would have used it?

     

    A secondary hull must be extremely useful since the majority of Starfleet vessels which came in the centuries subsequently (including the Enterprises) had them.

     

    I would be lost without the storage space of my attic! lol Maybe that is why Star Ships are so minimalist. All of their tat is piled up in boxes in the secondary hull. Christmas trees, lampshades and bin bags full of flared courdroy jeans and polyester blouses ...


  13. CBS Action in the UK is currently showing DS9 Season 1. When you hit the information button on your Sky remote it comes up for EVERY episode "Star Trek spin-off taking place on a space station orbiting the planet Bajor" before specifically describing the episode a wee bit. Sigh. Can you spot the mistake?

     

    I would suggest "Third Star Trek series set on a Cardassian Space Station located beside a wormhole to a distant quadrant" (or something)

     

    It's just, when they are broadcasting a tv programme to millions of viewers and want to put the same 14 word description on every episode you would think that they could at least get their facts right!

     

    TNG - "Star Trek spin-off set on the Enterprise C ... "

     

    VOY - "Star Trek spin-off set in the Gamma Quadrant"

     

    ENT - "Star Trek series set after the Origina Series"

     

    Duh :P :dude:


  14. here i am< a star trek fan only and i am hooked on babyon 5 tp the point where i need to watch iyt all the tine the shADOWS ARE the big thing but then they left and it turned into the phnton mwenace which happens to all good sci fi sigh