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Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today for the solemn task of burying our dear friend Star Trek: Enterprise. Star Trek: Enterprise had such promise and such potential to break new ground in the saga of Star Trek but sadly this show died of a case of neglect on the part of the producers. They neglected to care about quality and with it the slow agonizing death of Enterprise ensued, each season passed and Enterprise weakened a bit more until finally there was nothing left at by season four and the series died. More over it took the hopes of the saga with it as well when it departed. For 15 years the decay of the saga lasted until our friend Enterprise was created. A series that was going to be a simple prequel that would build the saga a new, from the ground up, revitalizing the slowly slipping fan base that was lost from Voyager’s ineptly handled debacles; but, unfortunately that was not to be the fate of Enterprise. Perhaps it was us the fans that were we too forgiving at first, we saw Broken Bow and I don’t think anyone of us truly realized the mess that was in store for us for the next three seasons. Yet we watched perhaps letting it die that first season would have been kinder?

 

Oh, our dear show did suffer greatly in that first season, going from 12 million viewers in the pilot movie, to that of 6 million by the end of the season. A distinct drop in ratings, I believe to say the least. I can’t recall what Berman said exactly but it was probably one of his usual win one for the Gipper speeches, that includes a half hearted apology to the audience for miss leading them, then bold statements about how next season will be better. Braga was most likely in denial as usual claiming some mumbo jumbo about how Enterprise was just not given a fair chance by the so-called “continuity pornographers” as he calls them. Meaning in short that the fan base was less then thrilled with the premise of the show, but, that wasn’t going to force any real changes in the handling of the show. Of course we all know the story, season two rolled out and the show maintained the same formula and lack of interest in creating a prequel was evident in the episodes as aliens that made first contacts in TNG and TOS showed up with alarming frequency, with thinner and thinner reasoning as to why the TNG’s or TOS’s continuity had be maintain, usually the case was something like they never mentioned their names. To some this was good enough this explanation after all. What is entertainment if it dares to make you think? However to more and more fans it was it evident that Berman and Braga were spent and the series needed a new direction if was going to maintain a heart beat even on a network of lowered ratings expectations like that of UPN. So in reaction to the still dropping ratings of the episodes of season 2 that went as low as 4.4 million viewers at time season 3 was dreamed up.

 

The make or break year. 2003-2004 was a year of division in world of Star Trek fans between the fans that wanted to see Enterprise improve and go on, those that wanted it gone before more damage could be done, and finally those fans that just didn’t care any more at all. The largest group of these three, being those that just didn’t simply care any more one away or the other about Enterprise’s fate they just didn’t watch Enterprise any more no matter what. However the war waged on between the fans diehard in their convictions to save Enterprise and that of those that wished to see it end. The war was fought and was looking like a losing battle actually at the end of season 2 and season 3’s bold new look was looking less bold with each episode more like a montage of past favorites reworked into a quasi-connected multiple episode storyline that would encompass the season from start to finish. However the reasoning behind the third season’s creation seemed to be constructed in the same flawed manner as at the start of Enterprise, that introduced some mystical time war that was neither real nor imaginary hot nor cold in nature but full of pointless aimless plot twists seemed to be also the order of the day for season 3. Enterprise was failing fast. It was going boldly into the void and the ratings were constantly dropping. The new golden boy of the series Manny Coto fresh from the failure of his own time travel debacle on Show Time Odyssey Five was present and accounted for in episode after episode of poorly constructed meaningless drivel that did nothing to really say why Enterprise had become so bold and new in this season.

 

Was the boldness showcased in the new gruff attitude of Archer? Or was this boldness in the scope of the villains that wished to destroy Earth yet again? Perhaps the boldness was present in the ¾ quarters of Jolene Blalock’s bare breasts to be shown at the first chance? Perhaps the truth was that nothing was bold at all. We went from the Xindi to misplaced Cowboys then to aliens obsessed with religious differences in a season that seemed less and less focused with weaker and weaker allegories to the present all the time. In the last 1/3 of the season it was deemed necessary even to fast recap the intentions of the storyline at the start of the episode because the general public was seen as so unable to remember the twists and how they all related to the Xindi without this aid. Perhaps if you have to remind your audience each episode that puzzle pieces fit together it’s time to reexamine your puzzle pieces because they might not be fitting together as seemingly well as you wished them to. However this didn’t stop the jugernaught of disaster that Enterprise was and still is.

 

No matter what, the writers of Enterprise seemed to be skirting around the ideas and concepts of any really meaningful allegorical statements about today’s society. In fact they seemed to say as little as possible in between the special effects as the season progressed. The formula was going to be held onto with its last dying breathe as Star Trek has done much to its own determent before and clearly this was a season that needed to break more rules then just how much skin can one show before being slapped down by the FCC! It’s hard to tell at times what exactly was one supposed to get from the last season of Star Trek besides the old stand by solution that Enterprise always wins no matter what. The villains seemed to be ripped from the pages of a pathetic fan created Buck Rogers comic. Perhaps the reason this result was felt by the audience for the most part has to do with the fact that genocidal maniacs bent on the destruction of Earth are at this point done to death in Star Trek’s formula. However I feel the reason has to do with the fact that neither Berman , Braga or Coto managed to really grasp the allegorical nature of the season they created fully enough to create a viable message about the world events they were supposed to be commenting on. It would seem that the producers themselves had only the most rudimentary grasp of the events that lead up to September 11th 2001, and the ensuing events afterwards that when they constructed their allegory they could only comment on the issues in a child like manner. Or perhaps they felt that the audience was only able to digest the most simplistic and simplified versions of the allegory? I don’t know; but for whatever reason the season was devoid of higher development of both the hero and villain.

 

By the time of the season finale of Season 3 the series was holding on by a thread and yet still season four was give the okay, but the question still remained and still does to this day how long can Enterprise last like this? Zero Hour was the low point of season three which was full of low points. The fact was that after 24 episodes the only real concrete developments in characters and plot were these: Archer was willing to yell at his own crew for nothing but make friends with the genocidal maniacs bent on destroying Earth; T’Pol was going to get naked a lot and because of her Trillium D addiction she would even able to show emotions; the Enterprise won; and finally the enemy was a completely poorly thought concept with no reason for being. What was left open? Well an entire range of interesting aspects actually ranging: from motivations by the Sphere Builders to use the Xindi as pawns in this war; to the reason why Future Guy helped out Archer to save Earth; to why Daniels didn’t help out or fix any of this time travel being that he’s after all a temporal agent and finally any development of a real nemesis to Archer.

 

It’s hard not to feel cheated after watching 24 episodes and find out that after supercilious episodes of Xindi tactical and strategic blunders in episodes from the Xindi , Rajiin, Azati Prime and Council to the blunders of Archer in every other episode including Shipment the season felt as if good guys win, bad guys loose, and those on the fence get counseling from psychotherapist Archer about their evil ways and can atone for their sins. The fact is for a season of bold new directions the ending was predictably formula Star Trek. The good guys didn’t bring the war to the enemy. The bad guys used a pathetically overly complicated plan that gave way to cartoonish inept dialogue of destroying humanity but no action. The villains made bold promises but in the end ran and hide from one ship even though it was tactically and strategic in their advantage to take over the Enterprise. Which the Xindi had basically achieved a total victory in Rajiin the episode that technically ended the season cold four episodes into it, only to run off in the end. Sort of pointless to watch a series where the enemy isn’t actually going to destroy the opposition to its plans isn’t it? Makes for a season that lacks suspense one could say.

 

Then Zero Hour threw yet another bold zinger our way, blue Nazis! Yes, Blue Alien Time Traveling Nazis from the 29th century. Yet, how does one go from the year 2154 to that of 1944 210 years in the past, when fighting aliens from another dimension and from the 26th century? Aliens that by the way were defeated in the past not, the future, which makes a difference because now our alien friends from the future are able to start this entire pathetic Xindi debacle yet again from a logical stand point. As such events that have origins in the future but are stopped in the past have no bearing on the origins of the event in the future. However all solutions with time travel inevitability produce a causality paradox that makes for transparent storylines. The fact remains that bold time travel plots with twists and turns aren’t so bold but just riddled with plot holes like a poorly maintained road and the viewers are jostled about between them as if they were in a car. The fact is these plot holes detract from your viewers appreciation of the writing, mostly due to the fact that the actions, the logic, and motivations of the characters’ are always under question and unless you have an audience that wishes to turn their brains into jell-o the fan base will run away in disgust at the poor writing. So one unanswered arc that ended with time travel was ended at the end of Zero Hour with no real resolution, not that any real resolution could be obtained the fact is that some how this was never seen as a problem to the producers is the scariest of all… But worse yet a new mini arc was started that had again no bearing on the past events of the original arc, it was supposedly intending to complete something but instead introduced yet another cartoon villain this time Vosk, the leader of a faction of fanatical elite unit of guerrilla time bandits with designs on destroying the future from 1944 Earth! The whys are numerous but the answers are few. Berman and Braga felt that some how the series needed yet more time travel, even though the pilot was a time travel revelation episode; the first cliffhanger a time travel episode; another one in season 3 alone and not now for good measure yet one more multiple episodic adventure in time for Enterprise. Maybe this was Berman and Braga’s way of saying that Manny might be supposedly looking after the show for us but we still are in the position of rejecting or accepting writers’ visions of the series! So here you go back by popular demand or our delusions of our self inflated egos’ the Berman and Braga show gives you time traveling blue Nazis of death to tantalize and thrill you for hours or perhaps this is a comedy of errors? Which ever it was the effect was more formula Star Trek. A really bold villain speaking of the destruction of Earth’s future from the position in the Nazis hierarchy in a so called bold revision of World War II, where America is partially occupied by Hitler and the reason given as paper thin as any the assassination of Lenin. Well history majors these writers obviously aren’t after watching this series of debacles unfold on the screen.

 

But who is Vosk? Why does he matter? How did he get to Earth? And how did Silik get on the Enterprise? Loose ends piled on to the already numerous loose ends from the season before leading to yet another paradox time reset. This time Archer manages to make some sort of resolution but again it’s an attempt to stop a problem in the future from the past which leads to a causality paradox. The fact remains the only real resolution in the episode that followed the template of First Contact verbatim right down to the helpless 20th century woman being taken to the wondrous ship of the future was Archer telling Daniels he no longer wishes to play in the big temporal sand box and is taking his Tonka truck home! The much maligned and rightly so Temporal Cold War is still in existence and sadly it will probably show up again in the future when the producers feel they need another bold and predictable twist to storyline of season 4!

 

Are the three stooges done yet writing the eulogy to this epic? I fear not! I fear that season 4 might be the end of the Televised saga for some time in the near future but the big screen success of Star Trek still has enough life left in it from the disaster that Star Trek X: Nemesis was that Berman and Braga might feel it’s a moral imperative for them to reduce the quality of Star Trek to such a level that it soon becomes yet another popular direct to video release saga before they call it quits!

 

The conclusions are clear Berman and Braga with the aid of Coto at this point are piloting this saga into the ground because of neglect. Any saga that’s been around for 40 years and expects to maintain and grow a viewer base can not do it by rigidly holding on to a formula. This fact especially rings true for Star Trek. It is by definition a series that is bound by the need to create timely allegories about the present to have any meaning. To hold on to the formula of TNG or TOS is absurd, because times have changed between 1966 to 1987 and now 1994 and 2001. TNG was a big departure from the standard cowboy type series that TOS was and Enterprise needed to be a big departure from that formula that defined what TNG was, yet, unfortunately it’s not. It’s still bound by the same rules that TNG played with yet the Star Trek lore set down in the allegorical episode Balance of Terror defines the pre-federation era as completely different then depicted in Enterprise. This is critical to understand that the definition of the pre-federation period was an allegory to the post Korean era conflict where a major conflict ended with no peace treaty or real resolution just an armistice and the Korean DMZ. This is the inspiration for the story’s meaning sure the episode is based on the submarine movie The Enemy Below but the real meaning is deeply entrenched in the cold war era and the fears of the unseen Chinese Nuclear threat and the fragile nature of the peace in the world formed by walls of concrete and wire in places like Berlin and Korea.

 

I must be honest I don’t trust that Berman , Braga or Coto are adroit enough writers to handle today’s complicated sociopolitical turmoil in an intelligent and meaningful manner. Season three’s allegorical premise is proof enough to me that none of them have the guts to make a stand about today’s events. Today’s allegory has to be complex and intelligent it can’t be the campy Plato’s Children or Who Mourns for Adonis it has to be smarter more biting in it’s commentary it has to have a vision not only from a literary perspective but from a visual perspective as well. It has to be daring on all fronts to engage a viewer. Now visually daring might have nothing to do with special effects at all it might have only to do with the way space is presented and the use of the camera to define the world. Before CGI the camera itself was used in cinema to transform the world of the familiar to that on unfamiliar and this could be done in Enterprise. The stories that Enterprise needs to tell aren’t about just human exploration of the make believe cosmos but that of changes in humanity itself as it steps out into the cosmos for the first time. But that’s all too late now the truth is Enterprise is dead in coffin the only things to be done now are to burry it and have the Irish Wake!

 

However what probably upsets me the most are the mindless fans that robotically defend this series for with little reason. The fans that run to websites to sing the praises of this debacle as if they watching Shakespeare or Tennyson but in reality are only defending the lowest form of televised crap on the market. This series is nothing more then mass produced soulless serialized pulp science fiction lacking any intellectual endeavor beyond the use of CGI special effects and no character growth beyond that of a poorly crafted comic book. It is sad to think that Trekkies used to once consider themselves thinkers in the world of sci-fi perhaps in reality they were always delusional when it came to that title. They perhaps they were even less keen on the thinking even in the heyday of The Next Generation and as I’ve grown as a filmmaker the truth be told that most Trekkies disgust me with their lack of intellectual discourse about the series they supposedly so love. The conversations that more often that not dominate any number of message boards including this one are conservations of the mentally deficient concerning who’s the most handsome or beautiful or who’d win in the epic brawl match of captains. These aren’t topics of conversation untaken by people with intellectual endeavors greater then that of a fly. The fact is that as a critic and filmmaker I see first hand how utterly corrupted society is when it comes to the production of intelligent entertainment. When block buster movies are by definition defined as movies with more explosions and compared to amusement park rides the society has fallen into a scary void. Cinema is art! Film is only great when it engages a viewer on an intellectual level the problem is that Americans are anti-intellectualistic in nature and the cult of the common man defines the society so completely that it corrupts any attempt to raise the level intelligent entertainment. The fact is simply American cinema is cinema for the average moron wishing to watch flashing lights that go boom more then anything else! And Star Trek is no different it caters to that exact demographic instead of attempting to rise above it. Worst yet, Enterprise is the worst offender of these sins on Television today in the sci-fi market next to Andromeda.

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This took me 2 to 2.5 hours to write and this stupid system turned it into one big paragraph... I just knew I should of used Block format.

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There is the EDIT button at your disposal.

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Now my wrath on fans and writers alike will be felt to it's fullest extent... Next Stop I'm going to start my my website and I'm going to rip Hollywood into shreds because they are at fault for pandering to the lowest common dominator. The "common man" syndrome in American culture.

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Now my wrath on fans and writers alike will be felt to it's fullest extent... Next Stop I'm going to start my my website and I'm going to rip Hollywood into shreds because they are at fault for pandering to the lowest common dominator. The "common man" syndrome in American culture.

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Film is art. Art is for the thinker it should work on many levels and today's cinema is nothing more then just flashing lights. Science fiction used to be a social commentary but every since Alien it's become an excuse for mainstream sci-fi to be nothing more then a exercise in flashy filmmaking with no soul or meaning. Where are the great sci-fi adventures like 2001: A Space Odyssey or Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky? Where are the Jean-Luc Godard inspired Alphaville's or the Francois Traffaut inspired Farhenhiet 451's? Where are the intelligent sci-fi adventures these day? Dead and extinct!

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I have no idea what your babbling about. Enterprise is every bit as good as any other Star Trek show.I do however think after Enterprise concludes there will be no new Star Trek for a couple of years. You bashers have ruined the Star Trek I know and love.

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I have no idea what your babbling about. Enterprise is every bit as good as any other Star Trek show.I do however think after Enterprise concludes there will be no new Star Trek for a couple of years. You bashers have ruined the Star Trek I know and love.

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Isnt' that the truth! The fact is that fans like yourself Kligonmike can only see a limited vision of what science fiction is at it's heart! You wish not to be distrubed from your mental slumber by any story that would be by design a mentally stimulating affaire. No you people instead wish to have all cognitive elements reduced to that the brain stem's level of activity and by doing this you are the ones that killed Star Trek. Not me! No, not the fan that wishes to see Star Trek progress past it's campy childlike roots into the realm of a real allegorical tale of humanity's growth this isn't something that kills saga. No, it revitalizies it and strengthens it. In fact the only thing killing Enterprise is apathy on the part of the fans to want more intelligent storylines and that of the producers for not seeking to move the saga from the past to the future! Instead the producers are intent on using Special Effects to create the newest and boldest empty storyline to impress the mental defficent fans that wish only to see flashing lights and nothing more.

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Everyone is entitled an opinion but you don't have to keep bashing Enterprise.

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You see that's where you're wrong... I'm not voicing an opinion like the rest of you are in your informed manner. I'm a filmmaker and critic you make opinions about films I speak the truth about it and it's fans! You see actually being a filmmaker gives me creditablity where as you people just voice empty opinions echoing the empty nature of your understanding of what Cinema and Television can be. I do pitty you people at times btu then I remember the reason you're so compemptable is the fact you demand nothing and so you are to blame for the sorry state of affairs in Film Today! You are as much of the problem as those willing to produce things with little or no meaning. And don't get me started on Michelle Erica Green!

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I have no idea what your babbling about. Enterprise is every bit as good as any other Star Trek show.I do however think after Enterprise concludes there will be no new Star Trek for a couple of years. You bashers have ruined the Star Trek I know and love.

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Isnt' that the truth! The fact is that fans like yourself Kligonmike can only see a limited vision of what science fiction is at it's heart! You wish not to be distrubed from your mental slumber by any story that would be by design a mentally stimulating affaire. No you people instead wish to have all cognitive elements reduced to that the brain stem's level of activity and by doing this you are the ones that killed Star Trek. Not me! No, not the fan that wishes to see Star Trek progress past it's campy childlike roots into the realm of a real allegorical tale of humanity's growth this isn't something that kills saga. No, it revitalizies it and strengthens it. In fact the only thing killing Enterprise is apathy on the part of the fans to want more intelligent storylines and that of the producers for not seeking to move the saga from the past to the future! Instead the producers are intent on using Special Effects to create the newest and boldest empty storyline to impress the mental defficent fans that wish only to see flashing lights and nothing more.

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Ok now your just plain full of crap. Whats killing Enterprise are people like you who say they are Star Trek fans and in reality are not. I've enjoyed Star Trek since 1966 and have not seen any thing wrong with Enterprise as compared to all the other Star Trek shows. The writing is great the stories are good and the characters are very likeable. If you were not blinded by your hatered for this show then you might possibly see it.

I certainly have not found many faults in Enterprise. I've seen great episodes and I've seen a couple that could have been better, but the same can be said with TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

Once again I state Enterprise is just as good as any other Star Trek creation and nothing you say can change that.

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Everyone is entitled an opinion but you don't have to keep bashing Enterprise.

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You see that's where you're wrong... I'm not voicing an opinion like the rest of you are in your informed manner. I'm a filmmaker and critic you make opinions about films I speak the truth about it and it's fans! You see actually being a filmmaker gives me creditablity where as you people just voice empty opinions echoing the empty nature of your understanding of what Cinema and Television can be. I do pitty you people at times btu then I remember the reason you're so compemptable is the fact you demand nothing and so you are to blame for the sorry state of affairs in Film Today! You are as much of the problem as those willing to produce things with little or no meaning. And don't get me started on Michelle Erica Green!

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Umm, no you don't speak the truth you speak your OPINION. You think film is art, well sorry, it's ENTERTAINMENT. If you want art go visit a museum.

 

Without appealing to the "lowest common denominator" how do you think films or television shows will make any advertising money? You want the American public to be educated and want more than "flashing lights" then get the stupid liberal/social agenda programs out of our schools and teach kids the fundamentals of science, history, english and then later 'art' once they have the foundations they need to understand and appreciate it.

 

Why is it that most films that are "critically acclaimed" trank at the box office? Because real people already lead 'real lives' we don't need to see some actor doing their best to relive the imaginary life of someone else when we can already see and hear and read about a real person living that life with all it's peril's and disappointments.

 

You want to have a television show that discusses social issues? Why not have a public debate about said issues and figure out a way to SOLVE them instead of trying to weigh down people with some heavy commentary or kludge about what some moron in their little fantasy realm 'thinks' is wrong with the world today. People watch TV or the movies or read books to ESCAPE from their normal existance. People usually don't read or watch or whatever to learn but to take their minds off the bills that are due, their kids being sick, the idiots who fight each other around the world because someone wears the wrong colors of shirt, doesn't pray 'their' way or some other stupid cause.

 

Get off your high horse because you may be a critic, but all you're spouting is a lot of hot air. Feel free to voice your OPINION because that's all it is, but don't act like you know more or are better than anyone else because guess what, you're not.

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I've seen great episodes and I've seen a couple that could have been better, but the same can be said with TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

Once again I state Enterprise is just as good as any other Star Trek creation and nothing you say can change that.

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I'm in agreement with you KM.

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Perhaps the boldness was present in the ¾ quarters of Jolene Blalock’s bare breasts to be shown at the first chance?

 

And what's bad about that?

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Ah yes, while I'm here. Don't you find it amusing how someone gives a critical review of the show yet still seems to watch it every week. It's like a paradoxical love-hate relationship.

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You want lowest common denominator Mr. BGAE? Here you go: :naughty:

 

entertainment: NOUN: 1. The act of entertaining.

 

critic: NOUN: 1. One who forms and expresses judgments of the merits, faults, value, or truth of a matter.

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I apologise, but I couldn't help but laugh aloud when I was reading your initial post. Sure, there are the usual few loose threads that everyone forgets about, but they are minor. No one cares about them. We care more about the fact that Enterprise, hell, the entire franchise is a personification of one man's dreams. They aren't a way to make money, they're a way to communicate with the rest of humanity.

 

I have no idea what it is about Berman and Braga that irks you so, but maybe you could stop bashing them and the entire Trek world for a moment and think about what you're really saying. It bites me to think how bashers like you have ruined the experience for so many others.

 

Personally, I find Enterprise stellar, and don't see why so many people have things against it. But hey, that's my opinion.

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Good answers, stf.net members! Good answers!

 

I keep wondering why a guy comes back again and again to complain about an audience of people enjoying a show, complain about the quality and content of the audience, and then claim to be an artist and fimmaker. What kind of artist insults a potential audience? What is so confusing about a message board that contains people of a wide range of ages, nations, races, and genders? Somehow in his mind we represent the dregs of society, unable to make value judgements as to what represents quality TV. I think this site represents a diversity of opinion, and a diversity in ability to express oneself well, but a unity of the abilty to listen to and discuss these variety of opinions, including differing opinions of Enterprise.

 

You know what I would be if I got on this site and insisted everyone discussed mathematics at a professional level, as a practitioner, and then degraded everyone who couldn't? I'd be a jerk ( as well as off-topic almost everywhere, and perhaps a little lonely.) . I cannot respect someone who claims to be a filmaker, and then denigrates everyone that does not discuss things in terms of his profession's jargon or pespectives.

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Perhaps THIS film maker isn't doing so well and needs to minimize another's success?? Hmm?? :laugh: That's one of the hazzards of success, everyone tries to knock you down. So in this person's own feeble, twisted and convoluted way he is telling everyone how great "Enterprise" is. :blink: O_o :yes: :wink2:

 

And can someone explain the title of this thread to me, word by word? It doesn't make sense to me. Am I missing something?? :nono:

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I think he means Berman, Braga, and now Manny Coto are the three stooges, alluding to the three stooges slapstick comedy group from the 1950's..klutzy and stupid....that's how they played their comedy. So he is definitely denigrating the three, and does not regard Manny Coto as an improvement on Braga and Berman.

 

The 'funeral' is Enterprise's funeral, because he thinks it is dead, and being buried.

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I'm amused... Here this guy is saying how each season has gotten progressively worse. I, on the other hand, skipped the first 2.75 seasons because what I did see kinda bored me. It wasn't until toward the end of season 3 that it started to interrest me. In my opinion, Enterprise had a slow start, but now it's picking up momentum.

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OH, OOPS :laugh: Now I'm getting itchy again. :blink:

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Where are the great sci-fi adventures like 2001: A Space Odyssey or Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky? Where are the Jean-Luc Godard inspired Alphaville's or the Francois Traffaut inspired Farhenhiet 451's? Where are the intelligent sci-fi adventures these day? Dead and extinct!

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Those were great films. :laugh::nono:

Though, I have only seen the 2002-version of “Solaris”. :blink:

But I've seen the other films, like the French science-fiction “AlphavilleO_o.

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