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I imagine a race of independent people developed cybernetics as enhancements, and

it somehow got out of hand. That's pretty general, but everything is speculation.

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I imagine a race of independent people developed cybernetics as enhancements, and

it somehow got out of hand.  That's pretty general, but everything is speculation.

Sounds like a good explanation. Then when they decided how great (accoding to them of course) it was, they wanted everyone to do it.

However, it it was a small group, don't you think there would hhave been enough resistance to stop them, or it was a whole planet that decided to become Borg. That could provide enough to force the way of life on others.

 

We'll just have to wait for a future series or movie to explain... :o

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Here's an old theory of mine I wrote :o

 

One thing for sure,

The Borg began from a single organic species in the Delta Quadrant. They are one of those that views organic as a frailty & decide to embodied with technology to improve themselves,

 

Which eventually brought up the assimilation technology by using nanoprobes or something more crude to do it.

examples:

Total Annihilation - A race who decides to transfer their minds into machines, but some of their people disagrees & they went on a civil war.

Transformers - In Beast Wars & Machines talking about their history, they were once organic in some way [mainly their Sparks "Souls" or maybe something else before it], they uses mechanical bodies as vessels for their Sparks.

Protoss - Dragoons, they join the dead comrades into machines to continue the fight after death

Robocop - A dead officer being saved by technology "unwillingly".

 

 

Because of this they began to think of themself as being a superior race, to make it a reality they decided to improve themselves further by learning more from other races [science, culture, knowledge, etc]

 

At first maybe they tried the old fashion way of learning from others [chatting, negotiations 'like maybe with the Vaadwaurs'] according to 7, the data on them are fragmented or something. But finding this crude & inefficient, they take a more aggressive approach. Attaining knowledge by force which began the assimilation process [this is about the only thing special that is developed by the original race, the rest are all stolen from others]. After realizing how effective it is they began to grow greedier, hunger for more knowledge like an addiction & went out spreading further into the cosmos to gain more knowledge.

 

But maybe or not, the people had inside problems on how to proceed, they may still be individuals at this time 'except for those assimilated' & maybe or not they had a civil war on how they should proceed. But one way or the other, they have decided on a way to function. Their goal to seek for "Perfection" has arise, perfection in everything [Technology, Biology, Emotions, etc] But to do this they have to set aside their emotions to gain the ability to function without distraction. But they need an individual to coordinate their effort towards the future. Hence the first "Queen" is born.

 

Her function is to:

1.Coordinate the race (Orders, tactics, decisions, etc)

2.Handle Maintenance (Unimatrix 0 Mutation, etc)

3.Experiance emotions for the drones (<- etc. Locutus, Data, 7 of 9, etc. ->)

4.etc.

 

For thousands of centuries until the 24th century, The Borg have spread across 10,000 light-years, Assimilated & met over 10,026 species, technology enhanced all the way from the [unicomplexes to the Tactical Cube]

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Here's an old theory of mine I wrote :roflmao:

 

One thing for sure,

The Borg began from a single organic species in the Delta Quadrant. They are one of those that views organic as a frailty & decide to embodied with technology to improve themselves,

 

Which eventually brought up the assimilation technology by using nanoprobes or something more crude to do it.

examples:

Total Annihilation - A race who decides to transfer their minds into machines, but some of their people disagrees & they went on a civil war.

Transformers - In Beast Wars & Machines talking about their history, they were once organic in some way [mainly their Sparks "Souls" or maybe something else before it], they uses mechanical bodies as vessels for their Sparks.

Protoss - Dragoons, they join the dead comrades into machines to continue the fight after death

Robocop - A dead officer being saved by technology "unwillingly".

 

 

Because of this they began to think of themself as being a superior race, to make it a reality they decided to improve themselves further by learning more from other races [science, culture, knowledge, etc]

 

At first maybe they tried the old fashion way of learning from others [chatting, negotiations 'like maybe with the Vaadwaurs'] according to 7, the data on them are fragmented or something. But finding this crude & inefficient, they take a more aggressive approach. Attaining knowledge by force which began the assimilation process [this is about the only thing special that is developed by the original race, the rest are all stolen from others]. After realizing how effective it is they began to grow greedier, hunger for more knowledge like an addiction & went out spreading further into the cosmos to gain more knowledge.

 

But maybe or not, the people had inside problems on how to proceed, they may still be individuals at this time 'except for those assimilated' & maybe or not they had a civil war on how they should proceed. But one way or the other, they have decided on a way to function. Their goal to seek for "Perfection" has arise, perfection in everything [Technology, Biology, Emotions, etc] But to do this they have to set aside their emotions to gain the ability to function without distraction. But they need an individual to coordinate their effort towards the future. Hence the first "Queen" is born.

 

Her function is to:

1.Coordinate the race (Orders, tactics, decisions, etc)

2.Handle Maintenance (Unimatrix 0 Mutation, etc)

3.Experiance emotions for the drones (<- etc. Locutus, Data, 7 of 9, etc. ->)

4.etc.

 

For thousands of centuries until the 24th century, The Borg have spread across 10,000 light-years, Assimilated & met over 10,026 species, technology enhanced all the way from the [unicomplexes to the Tactical Cube]

that sounds about right...

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Well, I remember reading on inet about a year ago on a very cool borg site how they came into existence. Alas, with so many crashes I know the site no longer and what I only recall was a tragic lovestory that started the Borg.

Apparently, on a nice lil planet some princess lived. The people on that planet were very advanced in medicine and other cybernetic stuff. When first contact came, it was from a neighbouring planet. Apparently a war started or something but she fell in love with some alien from the other planet. But then he died because her own royal house didnt want peace with that other world and she went total berserk so she used nannites to assimilate the entire royal house, then the city and then the entire planet. After that the other alien species got assimilated and from there on they spread across the galaxy. Its a damn shame I dont remember the site anymore because it explained it obviously much better then I just did. Perhaps anybody else knows? B)

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What if the Borg are the descendents of Willard Decker and Ilia.....

nope,the Borg have been around too long for that.Never mind....

Unless,....they traveled back in time to better assimilate the Delta Quadrant....?

:)

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does anyone have any theories on how the borg came into existance?

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I think this question is partly answered if one considers The Matrix Trilogy.

 

I have no trouble imagining a scenario in which the machines from the Matrix eventually get so good at their technical know-how they they start sending out ships and conquering other races. In time their technical know-how becomes so advanced that they need no longer both with mere "conquest" (subjugation by force) and eventually move to assimilation...not unlike what the United States did to the Native-Americans and Mexicans that were already living here. :P

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Good theory...except,of course,that the Star Trek and Matrix "universes" are totally different. :P

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Gotta love wikipedia:

 

Origin of the Borg

 

It has also been speculated that there could be a connection between the origin of the Borg and V'ger, the vessel encountered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as is asserted in William Shatner's novel, The Return. The two organisms are similar in philosophy:

 

    * The Borg are born as wholly organic beings, and melded with hardware to become part machine. They idolize a totally machine state, which is what allows Lore to conquer them in 'Descent'.

    * V'ger is originally a machine, but it wanted to see and touch its creator in order to proceed to the next level of life.

 

The final form of V'ger is the machine somehow "melted" with the two persons. With reasonable conjecture, the Borg, a cybernetic organism, a mixture between man and the machine, is born.

 

Following Star Trek: First Contact, the "Borg from V'Ger" origin theory has a few obstacles.

 

  1. The Borg attempt to use the Enterprise's deflector dish as a subspace transmitter to contact the Borg existing in their time. Voyagers 3-6 have not been launched as of 2005. Assuming V'Ger (Voyager 6) was launched some time in 2005, by 2063 a spacecraft traveling at Warp .99 would be no more than a short trip from Earth at maximum warp, hardly a distance which would require a subspace transmitter to contact anybody.

  2. V'Ger has not merged with its creator prior to this date, and thus would not yet be part human

  3. Even before the film was released, Guinan mentioned (in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation) that the Borg had been in existence for thousands of years, so they would already have been around long before V'Ger was ever created.

  4. This is also supported by the story of the Vaadwaur who reported contact with the Borg 900 years ago – that episode took place in the 2370s, so contact between the Borg and Vaadwaur would be in the 1400s.

 

However this origin story could be reversed into a "V'Ger from Borg" origin theory – V'Ger could have been aided by Borg. V'Ger mentions in a visual presentation of its origin that it was once a smaller machine, one of NASA's Voyager space probes. It was then rescued and augmented by a race of machines... however, the name or nature of this machine planet is never elaborated upon, and could well belong to the Borg.

 

One could go even further and pose the question "Why, if they have been around for thousands of years, have the Borg not succeeded in dominating the galaxy?" There are few examples of effective resistance being offered the Borg, and the two battles of Sector 001, both of which ended in a Borg defeat (though the second outcome is perhaps not so clear-cut), must surely be the exception. Human beings will not make contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life until 2063, and Species 8472, the other race on the short list of those who have defended territory against the Borg, does not enter space as we know it until about 400 years later. Again however, the Vaadwaur might provide an answer by stating the species had several encounters with the Borg, and "lived to tell the tale". This would suggest that the Borg were not the overwhelming force of the 24th century for most of their existence.

 

Another explanation may lie in the particulars of the evolution of the Borg. V'Ger's mission is "to learn all that is learnable" – perhaps to an intelligent machine all that is learnable is abstraction. Were V'Ger to join, perhaps become an emissary for a race (or collective) of computers whose purpose is to collect all of the information in the Universe – to dominate the Platonic realm, one could view the Borg as having more machine history than cybernetic and see the mission of the Borg as it is more commonly understood – one of acquisition and integration of all of the life, culture, and technology in the Universe – as having been born the day V'Ger "joined" with Captain Decker. The purpose of this joining was to enable V'Ger to understand "the rest of the picture" – could this terrible menace be machine thought sparked by a glimpse of human understanding?

 

The obstacle to a "V'Ger from Borg" theory is the apparently great distance between Earth and the space dominated by Borg. Possible rationalizations to address this include:

 

  1. since the Borg were obviously able to travel back into time in the film, it is conceivable that they travelled back at another point to establish a hive in the 21st Century.

  2. V'Ger mentions (again in its visual presentation of its origin) that it passed through a kind of disturbance, possibly a wormhole, on its trip to the machine world.

 

Though not in the formal continuity, a speculative story in the recent short story anthology Strange New Worlds VI offered a theory of their creation. It stated that the Borg came about on a world suffering from a devastating plague. One of the victims was the granddaughter of the planet's ruler, and she forced the scientists treating the plague to attempt a new treatment upon her. Nanotech was introduced into her body, which eliminated the virus and restored her. However, the nanotech was programmed not to make her as she had been before, but to make her perfect. Since she was naturally imperfect, they changed her body and brain, augmenting them with technology and creating the first Borg Queen. The scientists who changed her were put to death by her grandfather, who tried to kill her with gas. Her body adapted to this, removing the need to breathe and allowing her to introduce her nanobots into the wall of the room holding her, melting it and allowing her to escape. While fighting her guards, she accidentally put the nanotech into one of them, creating a link and changing him. In this way, the first Borg were born. Assimilating their homeworld, the Borg began to conquer other planets.

 

Link to wikipedia Article:

WIKIPEDIA:Borg

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I would simply argue that V'Ger is far more advanced then the Borg. V'Ger is clearly a living vessal with planet shattering capability, something even the Borg cannot do. V'Ger was also advanced enough to have no need for "drones" but plasma-based entities that seem like drones but again, are clearly far more advanced.

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