Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted February 16, 2004 Trekzone seems to think that the end of "Stratagem" establishes a new plot, the journey to Azati-Prime. Personally, I don't consider that to be a plot unless we have episodes about that journey. What about you guys, what do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trekzone 0 Posted February 16, 2004 Actually Captain Jean-Luc Picard.....i think it is a cliffhanger......i only suggested it was a new plot because "it cant be anything else." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted February 16, 2004 Actually Captain Jean-Luc Picard.....i think it is a cliffhanger......i only suggested it was a new plot because "it cant be anything else." How is it a cliffhanger, they... Click for Spoiler: found the location of the Xindi weapon, which was the plot of the episode. So, if the episode concluded, how is it a cliffhanger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trekzone 0 Posted February 16, 2004 because Archer made a log, Click for Spoiler: Hopefully, the journey to Azati Prime will be the final leg in our search for the weapon thats the reason it is a cliffhanger....because of the words used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted February 16, 2004 Yes, but a scene does not make an episode a cliffhanger. In order for the episode to be a cliffhanger, the episode has to be unresolved. The episode was resolved, though, so I see it as a complete story. Ultimately, if it were a cliffhanger, that means that "Stratagem" was the first half of a story with "Harbinger" being the second half. However, the episodes are unrelated, so how can "Stratagem" be a cliffhanger if the next episode does not contiue Archer's log? As I said before, the episode has to be left unresolved in order to be a cliffhanger. However, I'll remain open minded to more discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trekzone 0 Posted February 16, 2004 it is open ended, becausepauses, to stop shouting. a scene does make a cliff hanger, all 2 parters do it: The holographic Americans look at the gaping hole in the holodeck wall, they advance on it. that is a massive cliffhanger, because you dont know what is going to happen next. The Borg cubes are destroyed by the planets debris, Voyager is pulled away by the cube well! is Voyager going to be assimilated? ok, so those examples are from - PART ONE, PART TWO....but here: Click for Spoiler: The Enterprise warps towards Azati Prime this one is concluded in the episode: Click for Spoiler: Azati Prime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted February 16, 2004 it is open ended, becausepauses, to stop shouting. a scene does make a cliff hanger, all 2 parters do it: The holographic Americans look at the gaping hole in the holodeck wall, they advance on it. that is a massive cliffhanger, because you dont know what is going to happen next. In "The Killing Game, Part I", the episode was not resolved. We were left in the middle of a conflict with no resolution. That makes this a cliffhanger and a two-part episode. The Borg cubes are destroyed by the planets debris, Voyager is pulled away by the cube well! is Voyager going to be assimilated? What I said for "The Killing Game, Part I" applies here as well. ok, so those examples are from - PART ONE, PART TWO....but here: True, but there are also individual episodes that are cliffhangers and/or resolve previous episodes. Click for Spoiler: The Enterprise warps towards Azati Prime this one is concluded in the episode: Click for Spoiler: Azati Prime OK, I think I finally get what you're saying. Enterprise warps off to (you know where), leaving us with a "what happens next" feeling. Hmm... I guess you could look at it as a cliffhanger, but I just didn't get that vide. When "Stratagem" ended, I had more of a "I wonder what happens next week" feeling instead of a "OMG! I can't wait to see them get to Azati Prime!" feeling, mainly becuase I knew it would be several episodes before they get there. Hmm... I guess depends on what you define a cliffhanger as. If you think of a cliffhanger as a "suspenceful ending to be resolved in a future episode", then sure, it is. However, I think of a cliffhanger as being an "incomplete" story to be resolved in the next episode. What do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trekzone 0 Posted February 16, 2004 i think its both....i get the feeling every time i watch 24, its "OMG!!! you cant end there!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted November 2, 2004 Geesh!!! :blink: So much for "Cliff-Hangers" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
