Itchygomba69 0 Posted March 2, 2006 I found this looking up some Star trek References on another Site In a general sense and despite his experience with the Borg, Picard is arguably a cyborg: due to his near-fatal stabbing at Starbase Earhart in 2328, Picard's natural heart was irrevocably damaged and replaced with a parthenogenetic implant. This prosthesis was later replaced twice: in 2365 due to defects in the originally installed model ("Samaritan Snare"), and in 2369 because of damage sustained when Picard was shot in the chest point-blank with a Lenarian compressed tetryon beam weapon ("Tapestry"). So what do you think, do you think he is a Cyborg, maybe this is why he had a strong connection with Data? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 2, 2006 The definition of Cyborg is....... A human who has certain physiological processes aided or controlled by mechanical or electronic devices So I guess in a strict technical sense he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itchygomba69 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Kind of off topic from the pos, but if you have a pacemaker in your heart, you could also be classified as a cyborg then I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 3, 2006 Kind of off topic from the pos, but if you have a pacemaker in your heart, you could also be classified as a cyborg then I guess That's what I was thinking when I saw this topic. I don't consider him a cyborg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angela 1 Posted March 3, 2006 I would have thought tht a percentage of higher and base level mental functions would have to be taken over by cybernetics for me to consider anyone a cyborg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted March 3, 2006 Fascinating... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted March 3, 2006 I don't think that having a single prosthetic organ would be enough to classify someone as a cyborg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sikkbones 0 Posted March 13, 2006 how much of locutus's tech if left in picards bod? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ARMS 0 Posted March 13, 2006 how much of locutus's tech if left in picards bod? Good question, I think it would be impossible to remove everything, plus his heart, I would classify him as a Cyborg. I would say that anyone with mechanical parts is cybornetic. Metal rods to replace or support bones doesn't make you a cyborg, but a heart that beats is different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takara_Soong 4 Posted March 14, 2006 I would say that anyone with mechanical parts is cybornetic. Metal rods to replace or support bones doesn't make you a cyborg, but a heart that beats is different. If that is the case then we have already had cyborgs living among us. Artificial hearts are mostly used on patients while they wait for a heart transplant but they have been implanted instead of a transplant. The first was in 1982 to Barney Clark. He lived for 112 days with the Jarvik-7 artificial heart. The longest someone has lived with an artificial heart is 17 months. For more information check out this page at Wikipedia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIMIMELA 1 Posted March 14, 2006 He always had sensations when dealing with Borg Missions and there's movies about him and the Borg. I don't want to go into my reasons because it's too hard to explain but this sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtnk1-CNqU...rch=star%20trek Yes, I do believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mowzer 0 Posted March 17, 2006 does it really matter if he is a cyborg, it doesn't change the fact he is human which is wot this topic is about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ARMS 0 Posted March 18, 2006 does it really matter if he is a cyborg, it doesn't change the fact he is human which is wot this topic is about Is 7 really Human, does Borg technology enhance DNA to maximum potential? I believe I've read non canon material on this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIMIMELA 1 Posted March 18, 2006 This topic has confused me now :post-36326-1110185726: :blowup: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sikkbones 0 Posted March 23, 2006 He always had sensations when dealing with Borg Missions and there's movies about him and the Borg. I don't want to go into my reasons because it's too hard to explain but this sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtnk1-CNqU...rch=star%20trek Yes, I do believe. i think this was most noticeble during first contact when encountering the borg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 25, 2006 He always had sensations when dealing with Borg Missions and there's movies about him and the Borg. I've always thought this was a lot of rubbish. All of a sudden in First Contact he can "feel" the Borg. Funny how he couldn't "feel" them in previous Borg episodes that occurred after Best Of Both Worlds. For example, the Hugh episode ( I suck at episode names). He didn't know any Borg were around til Riker told him from the crash site. I count this as one of the big flaws in First Contact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sikkbones 0 Posted March 25, 2006 maybe it was the precense of the borg queen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sea trooper 0 Posted March 25, 2006 He always had sensations when dealing with Borg Missions and there's movies about him and the Borg. I've always thought this was a lot of rubbish. All of a sudden in First Contact he can "feel" the Borg. Funny how he couldn't "feel" them in previous Borg episodes that occurred after Best Of Both Worlds. For example, the Hugh episode ( I suck at episode names). He didn't know any Borg were around til Riker told him from the crash site. I count this as one of the big flaws in First Contact. maybe it was the precense of the borg queen? Yes, just like Seven of Nine in Dark Frontier. The Borg Queen was sending her visions and communicating with her, just like Picard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 0 Posted March 28, 2006 To be a cyborg for me Picard would have to have more than one cybernetic organ and be born that way, otherwise I couldn't consider him so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sikkbones 0 Posted March 28, 2006 To be a cyborg for me Picrad would have to have more than one cybernetic organ and be born that way, otherwise I couldn't consider him so. because all cyborg's are born with cybernetic organs."sic" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 0 Posted March 29, 2006 To be a cyborg for me Picrad would have to have more than one cybernetic organ and be born that way, otherwise I couldn't consider him so. because all cyborg's are born with cybernetic organs."sic" Born/created/built. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ARMS 0 Posted April 2, 2006 To be a cyborg for me Picrad would have to have more than one cybernetic organ and be born that way, otherwise I couldn't consider him so. because all cyborg's are born with cybernetic organs."sic" Born/created/built. Borg are not born. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takara_Soong 4 Posted June 11, 2008 Another bumped topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
He Who Shall Not Be Named 2 Posted June 11, 2008 He may have been sensing the Queen or a huge Collective in the nearby cube. An individual Borg like Hugh or a group of disenfranchised Borg as in Descent may not have been enough to register with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rob39874 0 Posted June 11, 2008 I think it was the Queen Picard could sense because it seemed in First contact that the queen had romantic intentions for Locutus. Also I would not say Picard is a cyborg due to having some remaining borg implants or a fake heart. A cyborg has to have quite a few mechanical parts of his body. I would class Data more of a cyborg than Picard except he does not have any biological components Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recycle 0 Posted July 13, 2008 I guess,in a way he is cyborg all that has happen to picard.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Android girl 0 Posted August 11, 2008 I found this looking up some Star trek References on another SiteIn a general sense and despite his experience with the Borg, Picard is arguably a cyborg: due to his near-fatal stabbing at Starbase Earhart in 2328, Picard's natural heart was irrevocably damaged and replaced with a parthenogenetic implant. This prosthesis was later replaced twice: in 2365 due to defects in the originally installed model ("Samaritan Snare"), and in 2369 because of damage sustained when Picard was shot in the chest point-blank with a Lenarian compressed tetryon beam weapon ("Tapestry"). So what do you think, do you think he is a Cyborg, maybe this is why he had a strong connection with Data? personaly i think that you would have to have a whole lot more machinary in you to be a cyborg than a hart its more of a pace maker really but after the borg im going to have to say yes the fact that he can hear them screams a good part of him has borg parts once your assmilated you are borg weather you fallow thier lead or not. from another angle if you put real skin on data and gave him few human organs oh say a hart or liver would he be a android or a cyborg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
He Who Shall Not Be Named 2 Posted August 11, 2008 What makes a human a human? Besides the philosophical answers one could give here, in a biological sense a human is a primate with usually 23 chromosome pairs. That is not something an artificial heart or Borg implants can change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Android girl 0 Posted August 11, 2008 What makes a human a human? Besides the philosophical answers one could give here, in a biological sense a human is a primate with usually 23 chromosome pairs. That is not something an artificial heart or Borg implants can change. than how does one become a cyborg thier not born of a cyborg mother and father they were once a person with 23 chromosome pairs and no artificial anything everything biological than something happend and the biological became artificial and they become a cyborg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
He Who Shall Not Be Named 2 Posted January 26, 2009 Heck, I think Picard is the 12th Cylon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites