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I’m going to quote someone from TrekToday because that’s really all I have to say. I’m not going to go and on and on of why this episode was not good. It seems everyone here likes to label all ST as “great” and “wonderful”. If only that was true, ST is not perfect and some movies, some episodes, products, and so on are not all good. Some are in fact pretty bad. It just seems like some of you are just cheerleaders for this great show called Star Trek and nothing more.

 

This whole thing with T’pol was bad. Star Trek is above that. Some here are saying “I can’t wait. It is going to be funny!” . . . . if you want dumb and low class humor on sex, then all you have to do is turn your station one or two channels and then you’ll have some. Star Trek is a family show. How many parents of younger children would want them see all of these dumb scenes? Not many. The very first episode of ENT turned me off completely because of things this episode did. I don’t know how anyone could defend it.

 

Do we really need to see it? I think we need to have certain boundaries. Look at how they are doing it (the people that are running the show) , how they are zooming in and getting the best angle they can get . . . . . .. This is not respectful of the show that has the name "Star Trek".

 

I give ENT another chance and watched it and what do I get? This stupidly

I might turn it on for the last episode of this season, but if they continue to put shows that have a bad story or just have this stupidity that this episode had then I’ll probably completely stop watching ENT.

 

This is one big thing that just turns me off about the show - call conservative if you like, but TNG was so successful because of its stories. I would hope that the writers would have got that through to there head.

 

I don't think that these kinds scenes of this show are going to make the show get better ratings. In fact I would argue that it actually hurts the ratings. A lot of people that like space, science, . . . . science fiction . . . .. - to have or to get a more serous show with great stories that show some purpose and tell a lesson.

 

Just read this review from TrekToday.

This really sums up more feelings for this episode:

 

 

Please note that the following has some strong words. Some of the comments might not be acceptable to all.

Analysis: The best thing I can say about this episode is that it was as bad as I expected. At least it wasn't worse. It combined an A-plot very similar to one we saw a couple of months ago during February sweeps — "Canamar", in which Archer conspired with another captor while he tried to talk his way out of prison — with The Biggest Vulcan Cliché Of Them All, the dreaded pon farr episode. At least, now that Enterprise has blown its wad, it can't revisit the gratuitous sex-and-violence of that storyline for several seasons...unless, of course, the writers come up with more stupid excuses for making T'Pol act like a fan boy's wet dream.

 

Let's start with the Archer storyline, which is merely banal, and might actually have been entertaining if it weren't so reminiscent of "Canamar" (and what were they thinking, doing two Archer-flies-his-jailer's-ship episodes in one calendar year?) Skalaar could shoot Archer at any time; we hear over and over that he'll get paid the same for a dead body as a live one, as long as it's identifiable. So why in hell does he keep Archer alive, awake and talking?

 

Well, obviously, because he's one of those kidnappers with a heart of gold, who's only shooting and abducting people because he was wronged himself, and all Archer has to do is figure out how to save the dude from himself to save his own skin. So he does — he gets to witness firsthand the dysfunctional family and mistreatment at the hands of the Klingons that have led the poor Tellarite to become a thug — at which point it's easy to make a deal to stay alive. These aren't the nasties from the original Star Trek's "Journey To Babel", but more akin to the Pakleds, the "We Are Not Smart" guys from The Next Generation.

 

And then there's T'POL IN HEAT! I can't say I wasn't warned, for UPN has been hyping this storyline in TV promos, in radio ads, on talk shows...I've lost track of how many times I was treated to the sight of Jolene Blalock slathering her lovely waxed legs with decon gel and rubbing her lovely bra-free breasts against a bemused-looking John Billingsley. To be fair, this episode didn't disgust me nearly as much as either of Voyager's pon farr episodes, the date rape fantasy of "Blood Fever" or the holodeck sexcapade of "Body and Soul". It merely featured the expected exploitation of Blalock in extremely skimpy clothes, sweating, panting, rubbing herself all over a man who's already declared himself turned off by forward women and another hidden behind a space-worthy environmental suit. Too bad she didn't challenge Malcolm with a lirpa; I'd love to see him try to pull off the James T. Kirk torn-shirt routine.

 

And what did we learn about T'Pol, the Vulcans, pon farr, sexuality? Absolutely nothing! But on a show with sexual politics that allow Tucker to make jokes about how belligerent Tellarites might want to meet his ex-girlfriend, and where Malcolm and Trip titter over T'Pol's completely involuntary distress on the bridge, why expect anything else? All right, I'm not the target audience for this storyline. And fortunately I sent my ten-year-old — the biggest Enterprise fan in my household — to bed after "First Flight". I'll say this for UPN: at least they put "Bounty" in the 9 p.m. slot when kiddie fans were less likely to watch. I generally root for this show's ratings to rise, but I'm hoping UPN gets something close to the usual Wednesday night numbers in the slot from which Twilight Zone will officially be removed tomorrow when the fall schedule is revealed. But hey, at least now I can rest easy that I probably won't have to see another Vulcan mating episode for years. Maybe ever, if this show's ratings don't improve. I don't think teenage masturbation fantasies about insatiable Vulcan women are going to convince anyone to watch Enterprise regularly.

 

Can't I say something nice about "Bounty"? Why yes, I can! The Tellarite makeup is terrific. And the Tellarite ship, though suspiciously familiar in interior design, is pretty cool. And Klingons! Not only do we get pon farr, we get gratuitous use of Klingons! Really, I should praise the continuity, because it's nice to know the Klingons did not forgive and forget the Rura Penthe incident the way Archer seems to have forgiven Tucker and forgotten the Cogenitor incident. But such stability seems so dreadfully wasted on an episode like this, which is boring the audience to tears with the derivative wrongful-imprisonment storyline before it ever gets around to showcasing a sweaty T'Pol.

 

 

Master Q

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Does anyone know how old a Vulcan is when they go through their first Pon Farr?  This might help solve the "how old is T'Pol" question.

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Well since T'pol's Pon Farr was induced, the only fact we could obtain would be a minimum of how old T'Pol is (if we knew the age Female Pon Farr starts at.). But since it was induced, it might be possible (I don't know Vulcan physiology) to induce it even earlier.

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master_q,May 16 2003, 07:24 PM

It seems everyone here likes to label all ST as “great” and “wonderful”. ... It just seems like some of you are just cheerleaders for this great show called Star Trek and nothing more.

 

Master Q

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That is a bit of an over-generalization. A lot of "us" recognize the sexploitation in which this show revels- and a lot of "us" have complained about it. But for some us even bad Star Trek is better than the full blown idiocy on the other networks.

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master_q,May 16 2003, 07:24 PM

It seems everyone here likes to label all ST as “great” and “wonderful”. ... It just seems like some of you are just cheerleaders for this great show called Star Trek and nothing more.

 

Master Q

StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com

That is a bit of an over-generalization. A lot of "us" recognize the sexploitation in which this show revels- and a lot of "us" have complained about it. But for some us even bad Star Trek is better than the full blown idiocy on the other networks.

Well you are not really seeing the full picture of what I meant. Most of it was implied if you want to refer to it as an “over-generalization” or not is that a lot of fans of a specific show or thing sometimes get blinded. But I’m not going to get into the overall picture that I’m seeing.

 

I know that a lot of “bad” Star Trek is better then other programs, but when you consider an episode like this one it is not that much different then much of the junk that’s on TV. And it fits more into that classification

 

 

Master Q

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master_q,May 16 2003, 07:24 PM

It seems everyone here likes to label all ST as “great” and “wonderful”. ... It just seems like some of you are just cheerleaders for this great show called Star Trek and nothing more.

 

Master Q

StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com

That is a bit of an over-generalization. A lot of "us" recognize the sexploitation in which this show revels- and a lot of "us" have complained about it. But for some us even bad Star Trek is better than the full blown idiocy on the other networks.

Well you are not really seeing the full picture of what I meant. Most of it was implied if you want to refer to it as an “over-generalization” or not is that a lot of fans of a specific show or thing sometimes get blinded. But I’m not going to get into the overall picture that I’m seeing.

 

I know that a lot of “bad” Star Trek is better then other programs, but when you consider an episode like this one it is not that much different then much of the junk that’s on TV. And it fits more into that classification

 

 

Master Q

StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com

If you meant to say "Love is blind" - I suppose it can happen but not to me....I mean T'Pol in her underwear is exploitive...but Trip in his underwear - that's art...Right? :innocent:

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Trip is afforded the dignity of a proper work uniform while he's on duty. T'Pol is not. Therein lies the difference. Until Trip is running around in a fever begging T'Pol and Hoshi to (I'm trying to misspell a badword but can't) him, his "exploitation" doesn't even approach T'Pol's. Do you see either him or Archer dressed in unitards which emphasize their packages while on duty? Of course T'Pol's breasts are cinched to her chin and her buttocks are like two ripe half melons.

 

TPTB do not respect the character of T'POl. :innocent: Not by a country mile.

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Trip is afforded the dignity of a proper work uniform while he's on duty.  T'Pol is not.  Therein lies the difference.  Until Trip is running around in a fever begging T'Pol and Hoshi to (I'm trying to misspell a badword but can't) him, his "exploitation" doesn't even approach T'Pol's.  Do you see either him or Archer dressed in unitards which emphasize their packages while on duty?  Of course T'Pol's breasts are cinched to her chin and her buttocks are like two ripe half melons.

 

TPTB do not respect the character of T'POl.  :innocent:   Not by a country mile.

 

I agree T'Pol is exploited and Trip isn't always in his underwear but when he is I 'm not thinking "boy that Trip's a fine engineer"

 

edited to add:

I just read the thread entitled "What kind of girl is T'pol?". That's distressing....maybe master-q was right

 

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Oh, come on guys. Star Trek has always been sexually exploitive from the very beginning. What about Uhura's skirt riding half-way up her butt, and how many shirts did Kirk go through, anyway? The ships Quartermaster must have hated him. And what about Troi and Beverly wearing enough make-up for a pack of Hookers. And Enterprise did not invent the catsuit. Is Enterprise supposed to be totally sexless?

 

Was Bounty a great, inspiring, thought provoking episode? NO, and I'm still bugged that the Klingon ship had escape pods. Not to mention that I never want to see the Doctor with his shirt off again, or his toenails (shudder).

 

Did it suck? NO, we got to see Archer facing yet again the consequences of his actions with the Klingons. This is building to something. We got to see Malcolm and Trip working very effictively together. And it was kind of interesting, if uncomfortable, to see Ponfarr from the Vulcan female's point of view.

 

Do I blindly believe Enterprise to be perfect? No, but I'd rather talk about what I like about the show than what I don't like. I've had enough Enterprise bashing from reading the other boards to last me several lifetimes.

 

Would I rather watch Enterprise than anything else on TV? YES!

 

Would I be offended by a whole episode of Archer, Trip and Mal running around the ship in their blues? Well, I am a frim believer in what's good for the goose... :devil:

 

Yes, I am a woman, and yes, I like a little sex in the mix. So sue me, beat me, whip me, tell me I have lousy taste and I'm undermining the entire feminist cause.

 

I love Enterprise and I am not ashamed!

 

(pant! pant!) thayln is now stepping ever so delicately and gracefully down from her soapbox.

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Oh, come on guys.  Star Trek has always been sexually exploitive from the very beginning.  .... Is Enterprise supposed to be totally sexless?

No, but I personally didn't enjoy watching this episode - it was more sexist than sexy IMO. My favorite line was when Phlox yelled (in a whiny scream voice) "You're disturbing my serum"

 

I'm still bugged that the Klingon ship had escape pods. 

Excellent observation

 

We got to see Malcolm and Trip working very effictively together. 

The highlight of the episode to me.

 

Would I be offended by a whole episode of Archer, Trip and Mal running around the ship in their blues? 

 

Offended no - Bored out of my mind YES- I still prefer a plot - on this I agree with master-q; why go to the expense of building a starship etc just to show semi-clad bodies running around. Soaps are much cheaper to produce.

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Oh, come on guys.  Star Trek has always been sexually exploitive from the very beginning.  What about Uhura's skirt riding half-way up her butt, and how many shirts did Kirk go through, anyway?  The ships Quartermaster must have hated him.  And what about Troi and Beverly wearing enough make-up for a pack of Hookers.  And Enterprise did not invent the catsuit.  Is Enterprise supposed to be totally sexless?

 

Was Bounty a great, inspiring, thought provoking episode?  NO, and I'm still bugged that the Klingon ship had escape pods.  Not to mention that I never want to see the Doctor with his shirt off again, or his toenails (shudder).

 

Did it suck?  NO, we got to see Archer facing yet again the consequences of his actions with the Klingons.  This is building to something.  We got to see Malcolm and Trip working very effictively together.  And it was kind of interesting, if uncomfortable, to see Ponfarr from the Vulcan female's point of view.

 

Do I blindly believe Enterprise to be perfect?  No, but I'd rather talk about what I like about the show than what I don't like.  I've had enough Enterprise bashing from reading the other boards to last me several lifetimes.

 

Would I rather watch Enterprise than anything else on TV? YES! 

 

Would I be offended by a whole episode of Archer, Trip and Mal running around the ship in their blues?  Well, I am a frim believer in what's good for the goose... :devil:

 

Yes, I am a woman, and yes, I like a little sex in the mix.  So sue me, beat me, whip me, tell me I have lousy taste and I'm undermining the entire feminist cause.

 

I love Enterprise and I am not ashamed!

 

(pant! pant!)  thayln is now stepping ever so delicately and gracefully down from her soapbox.

No one said that other series did not have sex.

 

How other series did it was ok. ENT is just not doing it respectable. And again no one is saying that ENT invented the catsuit. Just because another show did it or another series did something like this does not make it correct. “If everyone jumped off a cliff would you do it?” that quote comes into mind. Others might have done it (and other TV shows have been worse), but in an overall sense to the topic we are talking about that’s really irrelevant. It comes back to that question “If everyone jumped off a cliff would you do it?”.

 

You might find it ok, but others including myself do not. I don’t how anyone could find how ENT deals with sex as respectful. Other series really handled it ok.

 

UPN was capitalizing on the sex for this episode. ENT does not just go into the chamber and all of that, but we have the camera zooming in and all of that. That’s low class! If people want to see that junk all you have really do is flip the channel because we are seeing more and more of that junk on TV. And just because other shows might be doing that and capitalizing on sex doesn’t mean that ENT also has to. I guarantee if the first episode for ENT was a bit better and had no scenes in that chamber it would of have not lost as many viewers. ENT started out with a very very large # of viewers. I remember them having lots of ads saying that, but after that first episode they lost more then half. I think that states something. ENT had the ratings to start off with, but after that first episode it turned many causal non-trek (and trek) fans off.

 

 

Master Q

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I understand and agree with what you are saying Master Q, I had thought the days of goo being sensuously rubbed around was past and I am disappointed the practice has once again been resurrected. They want to make a point of the importance of the goo being used as a method of defeating potentially dangerous pathogens that’s fine but they should leave the soft porn scenes out.

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