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I think that if Enterprise is to feature James T Kirk it should be by way of the temporal nexus from Generations. This Nexus has been around for an undetermined length of time; time has no meaning there and even if you are no longer in the Nexus, an imprint of you is left behind. It would be interesting if Archer got caught in the Nexus and Kirk helped him escape. Images from Archer's childhood, possibly Guinan and Picard, and a whole other range of things could be brought into this. I was once against such cross overs but now I think what the heck: just go with it for a bit of fun.

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The only problem is that Kirk's no longer in the Nexus. The only reason why Guinnan's "echo" was left behind was becuase the Enterprise-B's transporters pulled, ripped her away - she didn't leave willingly like Kirk and Picard. It was because Guinnan and Soran left part of themselves behind that Soran so obsessed with getting back.

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Hmm

^ You Make A Good Point

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^ As Do You

Convince me

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The only problem is that Kirk's no longer in the Nexus.  The only reason why Guinnan's "echo" was left behind was becuase the Enterprise-B's transporters pulled, ripped her away - she didn't leave willingly like Kirk and Picard.  It was because Guinnan and Soran left part of themselves behind that Soran so obsessed with getting back.

His imprint would be there. The nexus does not operate in linear time. Archer could run into him before he meets Picard.

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A Better way perhaps? We never did find out what happened to "Mirror" Kirk.

VERY interesting point... :bow: That could actually work... maybe. :bow:

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The only problem is that Kirk's no longer in the Nexus.  The only reason why Guinnan's "echo" was left behind was becuase the Enterprise-B's transporters pulled, ripped her away - she didn't leave willingly like Kirk and Picard.  It was because Guinnan and Soran left part of themselves behind that Soran so obsessed with getting back.

Where is the evidence of that? You need to support your theory.

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A couple of notes on the nexus.

 

1. Since someone can exit the nexus at any time and place, then echo or not, from the point of view of someone outside the nexus, at any time or place, anyone who was ever in the nexus, is in the nexus, even after they leave. So basically, there is another Kirk in there, just as real and original as the Kirk that died. That goes for Picard, Guinan, Soran, and anyone else.

 

Picard ran into the Guinan echo, and simply didn't run into the real Guinan.

 

But there would have been another problem, which echo-Guinan touched upon briefly. She couldn't exit the nexus because another version of her existed outside the nexus. We saw what happens when someone exits the nexus at a point during his lifetime--the version of that person that was outside of the nexus ceases to exist. We learned this because there were not two Picards fighting Soran alongside Kirk. For Picard, it wasn't that big of a deal, he only lost a few short moments of his life, and the latter version retains those moments in his memory. But Guinan would have lost a full century.

 

Kirk left the nexus at a point AFTER he went in, so he had no issues.

 

As long as Kirk doesn't leave the nexus during his lifetime, he's ok. That doesn't mean he can't leave in Archer's time and travel forward, or leave post-Generations and live his life.

 

But as long as the nexus exists, there are literally an infinite number of Kirks and Picards in there, each equal and original. You wouldn't want another Picard to exit since it would basically erase the Picard that captained the Enterprise E.

 

2. Even if you don't buy what I said above, when Kirk and Picard stopped Soran, then Picard and Soran never went into the nexus. Therefore, a version of Kirk never left the nexus and is still in there, never having met Picard. And that version of Kirk is equal and original to the one that died.

 

No matter how you slice it, the nexus can work for Kirk.

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The Nexus theory is also lost when you consider that the Nexus crosses the galaxy every 39 years. The earliest time we know it crossed was 2293. Working backwards we can determine the Nexus crossed the galaxy in the following years:

-2254

-2215

-2179

-2140

etc

Enterprise is currently set in 2154 so they are 25 years away from the Nexus crossing. Plus an echo in the Nexus cannot leave as was already stated. It is a good theory but it isn't feasible considering the nature of the Nexus.

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Even if they used the Nexus, how would they explain Kirk (read, Shatner) being so fat?

The Nexus was Good to him :laugh:

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:tribble: Now he's not near as fat as he was a few years ago. I think he looks pretty good in those Priceline.com commercials ... as does Leonard. He was heavier when they put him Generations than he is now, so this could work from that standpoint.

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I like the thinking with the math, but remember, that's when the nexus is near Earth. If they encounter it at another point in its orbit, the 39.1 year rule is not important.

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